PUMA's Newest Martyr
It's early June. Primaries are over, tempers are still flaring. Several of Sen. Hillary Clinton's supporters are still smarting over her defeat.
Including one Debra Bartoshevich. Who publicly said she would vote for McCain, and even signed up with “Citizens for McCain", who gave her contact info to a reporter looking for an interview.
There was one little problem with this. Debra Bartoshevich was a Clinton delegate to the Democratic National convention. Ooopsie.
Needless to say, the Wisconsin Democratic Party didn't like this at all. They asked the DNC rules committee if they could challenge her credentials. The DNC rules committee said yes and bounced it back to the Wisconsin Democratic Party. And by 27 June, Ms. Bartoshevich was fighting to keep her status as a delegate.
Now here's the thing. As a delegate, Ms. Bartoshevich signed several documents expressing support for the presumptive nominee of the opposing party and pledging intent to vote for the party's presidential ticket in the fall. This is normal, standard, and not surprising. And it also means that Ms. Bartoshevich broke the rules and pledges she signed as a delegate.
By this time, Ms. Bartoshevich was framing the argument that the Wisconsin Democratic Party was being "undemocratic", saying:
"If they decide to strip me of my status, they decide to do something un-American," Bartoshevich said. "It’s not democracy. It doesn’t stand for unity, which the party wants."
Now as various Anti-PUMAs know, this is a very common refrain from them. That the Democratic party is "un-democratic" because it won't break the rules PUMA wants broken.
And about this point, PUMAs like "ClintonDems" started sending out "action alerts" to "save Debra Bartoshevich". Their spin is, predictively enough, that the evil bad nasty DNC is stifling poor Ms. Bartoshevich, and stealing her right to vote for Sen. Clinton.
Yes, they're actually saying that she had her delegate status taken away because she wouldn't vote for Obama, rather than she broke the rules.
The former Soviet Union has nothing on this attempt at revisionist history.
PUMA Riverdaughter made the comment that Ms. Bartoshevich's mistake was "She failed to get even before she got mad." PUMA SharmaJee tried to bring up the RNC case of Susan Catania, who in 1984 wouldn't make it a unanimous choice for re-nomination of Ronald Reagan, implying of course that the DNC is trying to do the same for Sen. Obama. The JSND group ClintonDems is complaining that there is a "concerted effort to flip every Clinton delegate, pledged or otherwise, to Obama to remove the possibility of Obama being upstaged at the convention", which is ironic given The Denver Group and other PUMA's attempt to flip Obama delegates to Clinton.
All this time the PUMA's are throwing a little pity party of their owns, high up on the martyr tree because all Ms. Bartoshevich wanted to do was *sniff* go to the convention and vote for Hillary. Crocodile tears much??
Well, on 25 July the Wisconsin Democratic Party had their conference call to discuss Ms. Bartoshevich's status. And the result?
Debra Bartoshevich was stripped of her status as a delegate to the 2008 Democratic National Convention. She tried to keep her status, (no doubt to make PUMA mischief), saying she "made her statements about McCain at “an emotional time”", and that she was "truly a dedicated Democrat". But she wouldn't say who she was voting for in the fall, and kept using the phrase "Democrat Party", which several people in the conference cited as one of "Rush Limbaugh’s talking points". Ms. Bartoshevich has been replaced by Clinton delegate Marilyn Nemeth, who said "I’m happy to go because this is history".
Now let me repeat that. Ms. Bartoshevich was replaced by another Clinton delegate. No delegates were taken from Sen. Clinton, one was replaced instead. Sen. Clinton's delegate count remains the same.
But not in the magic realm of PUMAland, where up is down and pesky things like rules and logic don't matter. HillaryClinton.net had such gems as "it smacks of totalitarialism!" and "I am beginning to really hate the DNC and their 'rules'". PUMA CaffiineQueen snottly said Hail The Obama…OR ELSE! and makes the absurd statement later that "If you visit some pro-Obama blogs you’ll quickly find out that they intend to accept nothing less than their “saviour’s” status being officially changed to that of a God." HillaryGreenMountain.org (CarlaforHillary) chimed in with comments like "Stripping Debra Bartoshevich of her delegate status is more proof that Obama was selected by the heads of the democratic party to be the nominee." though there was an even more out there comment that I'll just post the screen shot of:
JSND blog notfallinginline.org is doing a letter campaign to protest Ms. Bartoshevich losing "her delegate status as punishment for supporting Hillary Clinton", (which of course is NOT why she lost her delegate status. She lost her delegate status for supporting John McCain!! She's been replaced by ANOTHER CLINTON DELEGATE. Obviously PUMAland is a truth-free zone.)
End result. Ms. Bartoshevich got angry because her choice for nominee didn't win, and publicly said she would vote for Sen. McCain, even going do far as to join a McCain group, (she later claimed her sister had joined her instead). She got caught. She was in violation of rules and pledges she signed and agreed to when she became a delegate. And as such, she was removed and replaced with another Clinton delegate. Clinton didn't lose any delegates, the only change was replacing a delegate that was openly undermining the DNC (and Sen. Clinton too) with a delegate that could agree to and keep the rules and pledges a delegate is supposed to keep.
If PUMA and JSND wants to make a rule-breaker into some martyr for their misguided cause, so be it. But their open support of an avowed Sen. McCain supporter speaks volumes about the real goals of PUMA/JSND and their supporters. Because by now it's blindingly obvious their only real goal is electing John McCain and destroying Barack Obama, (and Hillary Clinton, and Howard Dean, and anyone else who gets in their way).
Another bounce in the polls, woohoo!
http://www.gallup.com/poll/109102/Gallup-Daily-Obama-49-McCain-40.aspx
Thank you so much for exposing the "Poo"-ma's for what they really are.
Posted by: MikeyJ | July 27, 2008 at 04:24 PM
Well, real polls and real information is undeniable though I'm sure PUMA's will figure out some way to play with the numbers the same way Clinton liked to disqualify caucuses. Funny, the DNC's rules were NEVER a MAJOR problem until Clinton was failing to beat Obama. If the DNC is so evil and if it's all about DNC's treatment of Democrats... PUMA would have been created before the primaries began.
Posted by: David Schultz | July 27, 2008 at 06:28 PM
Posted by:MikeyJ | July 27, 2008 at 04:24 PM
Awesome! I have an Obama sticker in my window and a group of older woman gave me the thumbs up while driving down the street today here in the Chicago area. :) I love it! I feel so good about the changes coming!!
Posted by: David Schultz | July 27, 2008 at 06:30 PM
Their letters will not be taken seriously. Much like everything PUMA, they cherry pick the facts and hear only what their wish to hear.
SolderofChrist is also LU4PUMA who reads this blog all the time and goes to the mother hen to tell on our findings. She lies about me all the time saying that I "stalk" the PUMAs. She also said Senator Obama wouldn't live to see the end of his first term.
She is a nut.
Posted by: Christina | July 27, 2008 at 08:00 PM
"SolderofChrist is also LU4PUMA who reads this blog all the time and goes to the mother hen to tell on our findings. She lies about me all the time saying that I "stalk" the PUMAs. She also said Senator Obama wouldn't live to see the end of his first term. "
Didn't know about the aliases, but based on that screenshot I got, I kinda assumed they were a few french fries short of a happy meal.
Posted by: Patrick McKinnion | July 27, 2008 at 08:04 PM
Benedict murphy and her disciples are a pathetic lot. The way they try to spin things amazes me. It's as if they are under some kind of spell, that or they just choose to ignore the facts and the will of Hillary, who they supposedly all adore.
What a bunch of misguided souls.
And another thing, wouldn't you think a Hillary insider could leak an encouraging word or two to those nuts? But alas not a single peep from anyone from Hillary's camp. Go figure.....lmao
Just food for thought.
Anyway,
Once again Christina,
Keep doing what your doing.
;)
Posted by: pumabot | July 27, 2008 at 10:55 PM
"She also said Senator Obama wouldn't live to see the end of his first term.
Maybe the Secret Service needs to keep an eye on that one.
Posted by: Betty Cracker | July 28, 2008 at 07:16 AM
I am so exicited to see your site quote me!!! Wow! Thank you so much!
Posted by: CarlaforHillary | August 01, 2008 at 12:52 AM
I am so exicited to see your site quote me!!! Wow! Thank you so much!
Original post edited to add your name at the proper section. You're welcome!
Posted by: Patrick McKinnion | August 01, 2008 at 01:26 AM
Chistina, isn't somehow satisfying that they offer you 'stalk' and that they lay claim to the 'pounce'? Perhaps it's some tribute.
Have they lost themselves to the feline diatribes so completely?
"MEOW!" - Supertroopers
Posted by: David | August 01, 2008 at 05:31 AM
This author misleadingly states that the party won't break rules that PUMA wants broken. PUMA doesn't want rules broken--it wants the rules to be enforced equitably. In truth, the party has no compunction or hesitation about breaking its own published rules in order gain results desired by the party leaders, as, for example, when it permitted Iowa, New Hampshire & South Carolina--where Obama was favored to win because of caucus-style primaries--to hold early primaries without the disenfranchisement penalties it imposed on Florida and Michigan. This type corruption of the DNC and the so-called "Democratic" party is what PUMA is fighting against. And will win against.
Posted by: Pat Knif | August 01, 2008 at 11:36 PM
SoldierofChrist told the truth. Obama's paid hackers did hack into many pro-Clinton blog sites and sabotage them for as long as they were able to. The Obama camp also maneuvered Google into disabling many pro-Clinton sites until Google's investigators learned what they were doing. Obama, his managers and his paid camp have done this, and more, repeatedly, and I fully expect that they'll eventually get their just deserts.
Posted by: Sam Spade | August 01, 2008 at 11:51 PM
"SoldierofChrist told the truth. Obama's paid hackers did hack into many pro-Clinton blog sites and sabotage them for as long as they were able to. The Obama camp also maneuvered Google into disabling many pro-Clinton sites until Google's investigators learned what they were doing. Obama, his managers and his paid camp have done this, and more, repeatedly, and I fully expect that they'll eventually get their just deserts."
If you have any credible proof, I'll be more than happy to look at it. If all you have is post after post between PUMA sites with no proof outside that, I'll be more than happy to point that out.
So that being said, where's your proof of "Obama's paid hackers"?? Are they much like "Obama's paid bloggers"
Posted by: Patrick McKinnion | August 01, 2008 at 11:58 PM
"This author misleadingly states that the party won't break rules that PUMA wants broken. PUMA doesn't want rules broken--it wants the rules to be enforced equitably. In truth, the party has no compunction or hesitation about breaking its own published rules in order gain results desired by the party leaders, as, for example, when it permitted Iowa, New Hampshire & South Carolina--where Obama was favored to win because of caucus-style primaries--to hold early primaries without the disenfranchisement penalties it imposed on Florida and Michigan. This type corruption of the DNC and the so-called "Democratic" party is what PUMA is fighting against. And will win against.
Like the rules that the SAME DNC members that ended up on Sen. Clinton's campaign sanctioned against Florida and Michigan? The rules that all the candidates agreed on at the start of the race? The rules that the delegate is chosen on electoral votes?? The rules that a pledged delegate have promised and sworn to follow?? You mean rules like that?
Posted by: Patrick McKinnion | August 02, 2008 at 12:03 AM
Obama's paid hackers did hack into many pro-Clinton blog sites and sabotage them for as long as they were able to. The Obama camp also maneuvered Google into disabling many pro-Clinton sites until Google's investigators learned what they were doing. Obama, his managers and his paid camp have done this, and more, repeatedly, and I fully expect that they'll eventually get their just deserts.
So I took at look at the "OMG Teh Evol Obama Hackerz iz takin down r cites!" thing. And notice something interesting.......
Non-PUMA sites also got hit by it as well.
Instaputz, If I Ran The Zoo, Alicu, A Quiet Corner of Sanity, and Roger Ailes, all pro-Obama, and all hit with the same Blogspot problem.
Also several conservative Blogspot sites got it.
So guess what. It's not "Obama's evol L33T Hackerz". It's a blogspot screwup that effected a whole lot of sites, both political AND non-political. For example:
http://www.daphinereeves.blogspot.com/
http://dillondaysdoings.blogspot.com/
http://hsalbert.blogspot.com/
http://www.inspinknity.blogspot.com/
http://www.tigerhawk.blogspot.com/
http://ancestories1.blogspot.com/
http://www.fanniecarte.blogspot.com/
http://modkidboutique.blogspot.com/
http://superfectablog.blogspot.com/
But you know what, thanks! I have a great new example to show people about the PUMA Echo Chamber and how rumours among your sites start.
Posted by: Patrick McKinnion | August 02, 2008 at 02:12 AM
By 'equitibly', you mean favoring Hillary, who I also continue to support in the manner in which she has made clear post-primary process and as she will drive home on the second night of the upcoming convention. But, I'm fairly certain that doesn't really matter, does it?
Might I suggest finding better waters. Your casting net has holes and seems to only have the ability to land you schools of red herring.
Posted by: David | August 02, 2008 at 02:19 AM